[Oz] Oz vs. Squeak

[Mikael Kindborg]

Good thoughts and ideas. I am pretty much in the same situation,
depending on Windows as my primary OS. Your IDE plan sounds
promising. However, I would go for writing the IDE mainly in Oz.
/Micke

At 11:16 2001-01-30 -0500, Bob Calco wrote:
>As a corporate prisoner to the Windows operating system, I do find Emacs
>conceptually interesting but not very productive as a development
>environment. When you're used to Windows apps, Emacs' paradigm is a bit
>disorienting. Plus, its windows implementation is pretty clunky. You can
>always tell when Unix folks port programs to Windows that they have a
>certain disdain for it, and that shows in the end product. For Windows at
>all events, I'm willing to build an IDE with all the bells and whistles that
>developers on Windows are used to. While it wouldn't be cross platform as an
>IDE, it would certainly highlight the strengths of Oz and minimize the
>Unix-y aspects of Emacs that would turn a lot of Windows developers off. I
>can also work on integrating Oz with COM and COM+, and eventually maybe even
>.NET. I'd probably build the IDE in Delphi or C++ Builder, both of which are
>being ported by Borland to Linux. They'll include a cross platform GUI
>library, CLX, which means the code would compile as written on both
>platforms, but for the time being the first Windows version of the IDE can
>be a straight Windows implementation. I of course would provide the IDE free
>with source for those who want it, and I can maintain a little "Windows"
>corner of the website.
>
>BUT I need to get more familiar with Oz first (something I am determined to
>do because I think it is a VERY promising language for longer term projects
>I'm involved in)... and I'm in the middle of a development effort now that's
>very intense, AND I'm (supposed to be) writing a book for Macmillan
>Technical Publishing on Automated Software Testing... so give me some time
>to get started.... any encouragement would be helpful in getting started
>"sooner rather than later" though I get the feeling that I'm addressing a
>crowd that's not exactly Windows-friendly... ;)
>
>Someday, I'd like to be the "Wizard of Oz" on Windows... for what it's
>worth. For an analogy, consider the work of Mark Hammond in the Python
>(www.python.org) community. He works for ActiveState (www.activestate.com)
>and is primarily responsible for extending Python on Windows to do things
>like COM, ISAPI integration, and so on.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Bob Calco
>Centreville, Virginia, USA
>rcalco at cortechs.com


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